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it wasn't wills bar, stumping for republican candidates including mastriano, the right-wing candidate for governor. and mehmet oz, the celebrity tv doctor turned senate candidate. but instead of pushing their plans, trump did what he always does, turning a rally for others in to a testy this of personal ranting. lashing out a authorities. he said the fbi and justice department have become, quote, vicious monsters, and describe last month lawful search of his florida home as a break in. it was not. by the doj's count, trump took more than 11,000 document home from the white house. 100 of those were marked classified. the washington post now reports that many of the files were stored in mar-a-lago's basement next to theirs or sex or tables chairs and umbrellas. the post writing quote staffers think of the room or like the former presidents personal closet. it is here, in this windowless know where some of the nation's most sensitive secrets

allegedly were stashed. is trump owning what he did? of course not. instead putting the blame on president biden, telling supporters their current president is quote an enemy of the state. and accusing biden of assaulting democracy. democrats this morning making the sunday morning show rounds clearly not having it. reminding americans of who is really the threat to democracy. >> two of the hallmarks of a fascist political party are, one, they don't accept the results of elections that don't go their way. and to, they embrace political violence. i think that's why president biden was right to sound the alarm this week about these continuing attacks on our constitutional order from the outside, by donald trump and his movement. >> meanwhile, we're still waiting for word on trump's request for a special master in the mar-a-lago investigation. a trump appointed judges had to decide any moment whether to meet trump's demands for an

independent review, which would be good news for team trump, given a special master is bound to slow the doj's review of the documents trump took to florida. helping us kick off this hour and this nbc contributor and new york times contributor, charlie savage. he's also the author of power wars, the rise of presidential authority and secrecy. also with us, former u.s. attorney joyce white vance, an msnbc contributor and law professor at the university of alabama. thank you both for joining us. charlie, i want to start with you. trump's niece says the insults that he is launching these days show that he feels backed into a corner. i want you to take a listen. >> it is quite something to see, the consistency with which this man unravels as the pressure builds. the worse things get for him, the worse his lashing out gets.

>> charlie, how concerned is trump world about the mar-a-lago investigation? >> well, they need to be increasingly concerned about it. the key point about this is not just that trump took home those documents that you listed at the intro today's, but all of those documents were documents that they had concealed. they took home many, many more documents than that, and after eight months of asking they turned over 15 boxes of them to the national archives. then, when it turns out that that wasn't everything and they had concealed more, they received a subpoena in may and turned over another batch in june. and said, both orally and in writing, that was everything. the fbi then learned that that was not everything, they concealed still more, which led to the search. and that's what the list of documents, including the 11,000 government on documents and photographs that were not classified about along with

about 100 that were marked classified, comes from. that last batch. obviously, not responding fully to a subpoena while telling a government that you have is an enormous legal problem. the fact that the government found all these documents after the subpoena is an open and shut case of some kind of criminal activity. what still missing is who knew, specifically, in trump world. and that is the next step in the investigation. >> speaking of the investigation, joey's, trump offered a new excuse for taking classified documents. he said he wanted them for his presidential library. give me your take on that and, specifically, how would that excuse play out in court? >> right, so, i'm going to try my hardest to keep a straight face as we discuss these most recent strands of spaghetti trump is trying to get to stick to the wall. because it says maybe the worst

of the defenses he's put forward. saying he wants these materials for his library, assuming he plans on building one, in no way is exculpatory. doesn't forgive him from taking documents, doesn't permit him to possess classified information. if this was the truth, and one suspects it's not because, had it been, certainly this is what they would have said to the national archives early on. but had it been the truth the archives would have been happy to take possession of these materials, to store them properly so they could be combed through at the right time to go into the library. but one thing that you and i both know is true, based on our past government service, is none of those materials that we've seen in the doj's photograph, the exhibit photograph, that our top secret, that require s e i classification to review them, none of those materials will ever be in public display in a library. >> trump also claims that he summarily declassified at the mar-a-lago records.

former attorney general bill barr argues that could be worse. take a listen to what he said. >> i, frankly, i'm skeptical of this claim that i declassified everything. because frankly i think it's highly improbable. and, second, if he in fact stood over scores of boxes not really knowing what's in them and said i hereby declassify everything in here, that would be such an abuse. would show such recklessness that it's almost worth and taking the documents. >> joyce, does this defense hold up? >> well, i think it's an equally bad defence. i'm not sure if the former attorney general's interpretation of the facts is correct though. because what trump said early on, but his surrogate said early on, was that he wanted to take materials back from the white house to the residents, to work on them at night. again, a sort of a suspect

claim from the former president. but take a get at face value, what the original story involved was declassification of some of our nation's most important secrets for the convenience of a man who can be bothered to walk two minutes across the street to a more secure setting, or go to a more secure setting in the residents to work on the of materials. and so, this notion that he was classifying documents all along for his personal convenience which, again, there is nothing that supports that it's not like you can wave a magic wand to declassify materials. even for the president there's certain steps that have to be taken including striking to the classification markings on those documents to show that they are no longer classified. but even if it's true, i think bill barr is correct when he talks about the recklessness that's involved. and the notion that the president would cavalierly declassify and make available some of the nation's most important secrets, carefully gathered through human

intelligence, through some of the electronic intelligence gathering means that our country is superior at. and that he would compromise those materials just on a whim. >> i think that such an important point this idea that, even if he could in theory summarily declassified these documents, there is a process for that. to make it legitimate and valid. a process that he did not go through. that's an important point that folks shouldn't forget. charlie, you alluded to this earlier but talk us through your reporting on the legal risk for two of trump's lawyers. what about them? >> right so, after that subpoena that i discussed that the grand jury issued may, in early june the justice department and the fbi went to mar-a-lago to receive the documents that the subpoena was for. all documents remaining at mar-a-lago marked classified. they received then, both an

oral assurance from one of trump's lawyers and a written assurance from another lawyer who is acting as the formal custodian of records for the trump office, that all of those documents at mar-a-lago marked as classified had been turned over at that point. that obviously was false. so, that statement was based on the information provided to me, in the writing statement. what they don't know is who told those lawyers this was everything. did those lawyers know that was everything? there's some evidence that before one of them had gone through and gather the documents, some boxes had been removed from the storage area and were not brought back. were they in on something? or where they themselves deceived by someone else? they are very likely to either receive a grand jury subpoenaed themselves, to come testify about what they know or even to be charged for making a false statement which could result in negotiations or, at this point a sealed plea perhaps.

and then a cooperation agreement for leniency if they tell what they know. either way, those people are really squirming at this point. that will be where the eye of the investigation is now resting. >> charlie what can you share about the dozens of empty folders found at mar-a-lago? any sense of whether there might be more missing files out there? >> that is an open question. so, yes, there were 48 i believe folders, i've had once classified information, and were empty with the fbi went and with the search warrant. so, what is unclear and from the outside a noble, we don't know that the investigators have satisfied this question one way or the other, is whether that just means documents had been haphazardly taken out of their folders and were separately recovered, either in that search or in the earlier subpoena of the boxes that were taken from mar-a-lago in january. or, does that mean that they're documents floating around that have not yet been recovered. all we know is there should have been documents in those folders and there were not.

>> well, we will certainly be following that development as well. charlie, thank you. joyce, you're sticking around with us. next the other big legal wolf facing trump world, the january six investigation. there is new scrutiny this sunday on ginni thomas and her efforts to overthrow the election in two states. but what does accountability look like for the wife of a sitting supreme court justice? we will dig deeper into trump's rhetoric in pennsylvania. his words helping reignite an already explosive divide in american politics. just a stone's throw from the november midterms. plus, an update on the water crisis in jackson, mississippi, and what it's going to take to fix it. lieutenant general russel honore will join us. but first to jessica layton, who is standing by with the other big stories we're tracking this hour on msnbc. jessica? >> thanks, julián, police in las vegas are it that we get in the killing of an investigative journalist.

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republican maga activist ginni thomas's wife of sitting supreme court justice clarence thomas, we've known for a while that she worked to overturn biden's victory in 2020. but the washington post with new details this weekend. revealing that she pressured lawmakers to overturn the results in two states, arizona and wisconsin. among those she reportedly pressured the chair of wisconsin senate elections committee. members of the january six committee are repeating calls for ginni thomas to come in and talk. but as of right now, the congressional thomas is stopping short of forcing her testimony through subpoena. >> i would like to hear from is thomas, when we sent her the letter inviting her she spoke very promptly about how she was eager to come in to that committee and that, if she did so, everything would be cleared up. so i hope she still has that view i hope that that's true

what she said and she should come in and talk to us. >> joyce vance is back with us and also joining us as daniel strauss senior correspondent at the new republic. daniel the january six committee has less than three months now to wrap up its research. why do you think it hasn't made ginni thomas a bigger priority until now? >> i mean, they have their reasons clearly. the scope of this investigation goes far beyond just a few people. but it is curious and it's curious because it looks like after the labor day break, we are going to get a lot more of what we know happened on january 6th. adam kinzinger, a member of the panel recently said as much. i think it's also extremely delicate to subpoena a spouse of a supreme court justice and the committee, all of these investigators of all of the

probes into president trump right now, are trying to avoid coming off as overly partisan or partisan at all. so, at this point with this particular witness, i think they are moving very cautiously because they don't want to seem like this is some kind of vehicle for advancing an agenda against trump. >> and joyce, speaking of witnesses, pennsylvania's republican candidate for governor mastriano, is suing the committee to avoid testifying. what's your sense of how his lawsuit will play out? >> it's always interesting when people who are subpoenaed to testify, whether in front of a grand jury or a congressional committee, try to avoid subpoenas for their testimony as fact witnesses. particularly when these people are politicians. it seems to be really contrary to the oath that they take. he would not be able to avoid a subpoena if he had been witness to a car crash, or if he had

observed a crime in progress. this is just fact witness testimony, there is no indication that he's been told that he is in any way under personal investigation for his conduct. and so, one would hope that the courts would enforce any sort of a subpoena in the setting. >> and daniel, january 6th hearings are of course expected to start up a day this month. any reporting on what they're likely to focus on, and how that might play into the midterms? >> much of it is going to be on the role that -- the possible role that law enforcement had in their response to the mob that eventually stormed the capitol or not. this is important, has been of great contention for both president trump and investigators. trump likes to say that nancy pelosi, for some reason, did not thoroughly set up the capital for some kind of mauve in advance.

we know that's just not true. but the larger question here is whether there was some kind of internal security breach. beyond that though, this committee, you need to remember, is a very, very good at laying out their findings in a dramatic way. and in a way that really impacts how we view what happened on january 6th. so, whatever they're going to present, it's going to be important. >> today on msnbc, white house press secretary karine jean-pierre came to biden's defense, saying his soul of the nation's beach was urgently needed. i want you to take a listen. >> as president, he believes that he should be the strongest voice on democracy, and that's what he is using. he's using his voice to lift that up, to shore the inflection point that we are in at this current moment and how much it is important to protect those values. >> so, daniel, are democrats

confident they can win by calling out maga extremism this fall the way that president biden did the other day? >> i mean, president biden really wants them to be. it's a bad election cycle for democrats, the last few months have shown more than a little bit of a glimmer of hope. the congressional ballot has tightened substantially in a way that does look like democrats will have at least a less bad cycle, maybe a good cycle. but it's hard to tell. there's other prevailing forces, other major policy pillars that democrats have been using. the dobbs decision inflation gas prices. it's a range of topics but, for president biden, from the beginning of his presidency and presidential campaign, he has stressed the importance of the perilous condition the country is on with democracy. it's no surprise he gave the speech. >> joyce, a judge agreed to

limit governor kemp and lindsey graham's testimony before a georgia grand jury. and ex trump lawyer john eastman just took the fifth in the same investigation. what does it mean for the doj's case there, in fulton county? >> well, she will get this testimony and summon in substance. unfortunately, the judge has delayed governor kemp's testimony until at after the election, but she will get that at that point in time. senator graham is in process, litigating at the 11th circuit to determine whether and as to what topics he too will have to testify. and we see similar sorts of settings, where many witnesses are asserting their fifth amendment privileges in these sort of cases. but the district attorney has a straight line here, and georgia has some pretty helpful statutes for prosecutors who want to prosecute some form of election interference. the former president is depicted, captured on tape,

asking for 11,780 votes, the precise number he needs to win georgia. not five more, ten more, just one more. at the end of the day, when you look into the activity that went on around him and that very compelling evidence, she will have an abundance of evidence to proceed upon. whether she defy decides sufficient to indict, i think that's an open question. sometimes, prosecutors have to face very difficult questions involving whether they can prove every element of a crime as it is that fourth in statute. they have to determine whether evidence will be admissible. sometimes, for whatever reason, you can't use evidence in court. maybe it's hearsay or maybe witnesses decide they will go south on you, as prosecutors say. but she is amassing that body of evidence that she needs, and i would expect her to make a decision late in the year or early next year. >> absolutely. something tells me that trump specificity with the number of

votes he asked for is not going to help him or his team in georgia. joyce, thank you. daniel is sticking around. still to come, the battle for the soul of our democracy. donald trump setting a dangerous tone ahead of the midterm elections, using bold face lies to rile up his base once again. but next, the cost of years-long disregard and decay. in update on the jackson, mississippi water crisis, and the long road to fix it. when lieutenant general russel honore joins me after this quick break. quick break. and his trusty crew... were delayed when the new kid totaled his truck. timber... fortunately, they were covered by progressive, so it was a happy ending... for almost everyone.

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learning. in response, governor tate reeves mobilize the national guard. so far, troops have handed out millions of bottles, water bottles. they also promised that one of the damaged pumps we'll be back up and running later this week. but experts say jackson's water crisis was years in the making. and, as more evidence of racial inequality in america's infrastructure. joining me now is russel honore, a retired lieutenant general who served as a commander of the joint task force that responded to hurricane katrina in 2005. general honoré, thank you for joining us. i want to start with the role of the national guard and its response to this crisis. what is typically their role in disasters like this? and do you think that, so far, the response has been adequate? >> i'll tell you what, our national guard is doing a great job on the ground. big supporter, worked with the national guard. their job is to help save lives

and do any think the government tells them to do. in this case, they are deployed in and around jackson, running positive points of distribution. as you can see in this tape, issuing water to people and meeting their needs. they are a great backup to the first responders, when they can't handle it and city employees can't handle it. the mayor or governor consent of the guard, they're doing a good job. but this is just a temporary fix. you can't run a city on bottled water, everybody realizes this. as the president said one time, and one of his tv appearances, this is a big, blanket deal, we have an american city without drinking water. >> of course, you helped lead the response to hurricane katrina in 2005. what does your experience tell you about jackson situation and what needs to happen there, going forward? >> well, in relation to 2005,

we had aging infrastructure that was hit by a terrible storm. in the case of jackson, we had a flood situation that hit ben aging infrastructure and the sewer as well as the water plant, the obi curtis plant. i visited yesterday and the reservoir where that water comes through, that river flooded. it's major infrastructure there in the location, and the design of the water plant, as i talked to the mary yesterday for a few minutes, it's a very complex water plant. with three distinct types of technologies. which makes this very complex, which means this thing has been put together by band-aids over the years. in the people of jackson don't have confidence and their drinking water, well before this disaster. so, it's time for the federal government to do like they did after katrina, rebuild the levees.

it's time to come in well water is locally resourced and locally supported by people paying their water bill. it's time for the federal government -- because the pearl river has an impact, the pearl river is a responsibility of coal engineers. had it not, flooded the system would probably have been limping along without any problems. we have the core engineers, they actually have two people on the ground assisting at the water plant. and fema has one person there. i would expect a couple generals and the fema regional administrator on the ground. the city is without drinking water. we need to raise the level of response from the federal government to figure out how we prevent this plant from flooding again once it's repaired. because once it's repaired, the big problem is to get the water tested for drinking at the point of use. and that is in people's kitchen and in restaurants and schools,

so we can get back to normal. but we will never get back to normal until this plant is replaced. i hope the federal government will come out with appropriated money like they did after katrina to help this city replace the water system, as well as the sewer system. both of those are issues in this city. >> absolutely. just to think of the amount of infrastructure investment that hasn't been made over the decades, something that the mayor of jackson pointed out a couple days back. i want to ask you about something else that a lot of folks have pointed out. 80% of jackson's residents are black, and 25% are in poverty. talk to us about the role that systemic racism has played and it's playing here. >> i'll speak to the obvious. but there's things we can do now with a solution, if i may. fema can offer and coach the governor to ask for individual

and private assistance. fema can provide up to $500 within 24 hours to those who register online to pay for the water that they've bought over the past two weeks, when this disaster started. they can also, through presidential direction, provide an s b eight emergency loans to businesses who are struggling to stay open and spend at our messam out of money to buy water. that's what we want the federal government to do. as well as for the mayor to ask the governor to provide showers with ramps that can go to the nursing homes, so these elderly people can take showers without having to keep their mouth closed. these are things the federal government can do to fix this now, and it's not happening. it's time for the federal government to lean forward and tell the mayor what is available and start pushing stuff in there.

not just give them what they ask for, but give them what they need. that's the role of the damn federal government, they're moving a little slow right now to be honest with you. >> general russel honoré, thank you. next, president biden brought receipts last week in his address to the nation, calling for americans to save this nation. as for donald trump, he's using lies to cover his mishandling of america's secrets and it is taking the midterms in a direction democracy does not need. next hour, we will hear from a planned parenthood president on the east coast about the true realities playing out in a post-roe america. you don't want to miss it. t.

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barnes has a bag to unseat republican governor ron johnson. it is pennsylvania, democrat john fetterman and celebrity doctor mehmet oz are battling over the the kits she left by pat toomey. saturday night in wilkes-barre, trump stumped for doctor oz and gubernatorial candidate doug mastriano. but did he spent most of his time touting them? oh no, he instead went after president biden for speaking the truth about maga republicans who are aiming to subvert democracy. biden's exact words were, quote, donald trump in the maga republicans represent and extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic. but trump twisted biden's words, telling the crowd that biden went after the entire republican party. accusing biden of vilifying 75 million citizens. that is not what biden did in his speech last week in philadelphia. so, what might these bold faced lies from trump mean for the

midterms? daniel strauss is back with me, along with political white house correspondent christopher cadelago. daniel, i want to start with you. we have these two drastically different speeches just days apart, from biden and trump, both happening in the key battleground of pennsylvania. give me your sense of how it is changing the tone of the race, heading into november. >> look, i think this is going to be a very negative final few months of the election. the main pillars of democrats campaign strategy depends on contrasting themselves with a moderate republican party. donald trump has never been positive about anything but himself. so, i'm not surprised by this. i expect that, that's both the current president and former president campaign across the country, they are going to hit

on the same notes again and again and again. and hope that voters are so motivated about the possibility of some kind of big change that they will vote for either democrats or republicans. >> christopher, much of president biden's speech was centered around a threat to democracy and the blatant disregard trump and some of his followers had for democratic norms and institutions. based on your own reporting, any insight into why biden has chosen to target what he calls extreme republicans? >> yeah, we know that this is something that joe biden has been telling staff, telling aides he's wanted to do for a long time. we heard elements in the speech of things that he has had on in the past. this idea that none of this is normal. this idea that you can't just love your country and respect elections when you win those elections. these are some of the notes that we've heard, and this

harkens all the way back, you guys will remember, to when joe biden launched his primary campaign in april of 2019. it was all about being motivated by charlottesville. i think he really ties the january 6th insurrection back to his soul of america campaign themes. we also know that there have been democrats in the party who wanted joe biden to do this a lot more than he has. i think folks in the white house have thought they want to hit on this at very key moments. they didn't want to spend the last full two years focusing on the attacks on the capitol, on attacks on democracy, they wanted to do it in key moments. and donald trump, with the search of mar-a-lago, has obviously created another key moment for joe biden to do that. i think it also comes, obviously, after he's been able to get some key legislation through and can now really

turned to these elections. this is the big theme for joe biden. obviously, some of the accomplishments democrats have had as part of that, pulling the country from the depths of covid is a big part of that. and of course, working on inflation and getting out of the pandemic are also key parts. but this is also the key thematic elements for joe biden, trying to save democracy. and we know in some of these races, particular governors races but also senate and house races, these are key both to democrats now and joe biden's agenda but also to protecting, from their point of view, elections going forward. so, this is something he will continue to hammer away at from here on out. we've seen previous of, it we've seen the speech now. this will be a strong element of the speech as he gives now

and through november 8th. >> and christopher, to your point, biden is touting several recent victories, from student loan forgiveness, the inflation reduction act, infrastructure and gun reform. are democrats in the president still confident their legislative record will lead to victory in november? >> i think they are much more confident in their legislative record now than they were a few months ago. to sort of put it mildly. that has been a key, getting some of these things through. obviously if not everything they wanted. there's a whole lot left on the table, as you know, that democrats would like to push through. but these things on climate, some of the provisions that are in this inflation reduction act on climate, our big. the health care and drug prices are big points for them. these are things that register as top line, high polling, hi

saliency issues for democrats. also, things in there including the student loan debt relief he did from 10,000 to 20, 000, things that dispirited jan voters who are thinking about joe biden maybe not living up to his promises, they've come through with some of those things. obviously not close to all of them. but those are some of the things they are counting on. but they also have to be careful, they haven't gotten everything done and as a lot of folks out there who are still struggling. to sort of tout this laundry list of accomplishments when people are out there, the jobless rate mites below but inflation is still high, wages have struggled to keep up. you don't want to look like you're doing a victory lap well before anything close to a victory. >> thank you all very much for joining us. next, south carolina just

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it's a new hour and we have a ton to talk about. including the dangerous new rhetoric spewing from donald trump in his first public rally since the fbi's lawful search at mar-a-lago. taking aim at the fbi, the doj, and offering a new excuse for why america's top secrets were hoarded at his florida resort. also this hour, trump is exactly what joe biden warned us about. spreading lies to gin up outrage with his base. it is a brewing battle between democracy and autocracy with the midterms just weeks away. plus, the realities of a post-roe america. you will hear from the president of planned parenthood south atlanta chapter about the struggles facing activist and those needing care as two more states came to rollback reproductive freedom. and it's back to school across america at a time when more teachers than ever are choosing to leave their beloved profession. just wait until you hear why they are bowing out. and what it will take to